comments on muslims in Belgium

[joyce1975]

First, they cannot control their childrens selling drugs on the street, snatching bags and gsm ( i was a victim of that a month a ago ), hitting other children from another countries origin.

The Reason: because their fathers never give them money and even these childrens have a monthly allocation from BELGIUM, the father is the one getting and spending ( enjoying in cardgame and for self leisure and pleasure ).

Second, making formality marriages between relatives; its the reason why they are growing here fast. A daughter or Son must do it, even they like it or not.

The reason: money is involved

Third, A lifetime shomage even they have businesses( undeclared or in blocked ). Of course to avoid big taxes.

These things are true, and still there are some more reasons that i dont know yet. The status of women is also uncomfortable to everybody eyes. I will discuss it later. I am sorry but this is true to any muslim who will read this.

comments are welcome.

[Niquie]

And I find your comments disgusting. Just downright bigotted and disgusting.

[imported_grafix]

Hey joyce-kill 'em muslims!
they're sooo dirty and disgusting!
They have kids, they steal, they deal drugs, they are the lowest form of humanity imagineable.
i say throw 'em out and let 'em back into their old countries!

Joyce...
one thing...

f.uck off you dispicable piece of s.h.i.t.

No good for nothing racist bastard-go to hell.
yet these f.ucking europeans claim to be civilized still.
you're the same as your ancestors were centuries ago-still the arrogant, ignorant, colonialist sons of b.itches.

Good luck with your crusade joyce!
Let me know if you need any help from a muslim that doesn't deal drugs or that doesn't stink!

[Edited by grafix on 4th January 2003 at 19:43]

[Niquie]

I see this bigot has spewed her venom elsewhere and on different sites.

Perhaps she's the reincarntion of Eva Braun.

[ASertug]

Joyce..

The ignorant tone of what you wrote cannot even be found in the United States, where people at least try to say "We hate Arabs". Do not blame Muslims for anything. Islam is a religion sent by God, and God is one right?
You have all the rights to hate or dislike people, or groups. But do not make such generalizations. Since i also live in Belgium, i am thinking you are referring to Moroccans. I am a Muslim, and i also got in problems with them. So be clear, and dont make senseless statements.

[Niquie]

I think our admonishments are falling on deaf ears. Joyce doesn't seem to have the guts to defend her bigotry. But then, bigotry can NEVER be defended, can it?

And please don't YOU generalize about American and/orAmericans. We do not ALL hate Arabs. We do not ALL hate Muslims. What the world is seeing is what the media gives them. The most salacious of U.S. sound bites.

There are plenty of Americans (like me) who happen to think the Palestinians have gotten the raw end of a terrible deal made decades ago. And I abhore terrorism of any kind. Suicide bombings are no less abhorrent. But Israel has turned into a thug state and has elevated its OWN terrorists to high office. I give you Ariel Sharon.

There are plenty of really bad people to go around. Joyce is just one of the many.

[ASertug]

Nique...

Its good to know that we have an American here. Which city are you in? I was a high school student 2 years ago in teh Brussels American School. Do you know it??

I didnt mean to make it sound that bad really. I mean, lets be clear, every country has its own enemies and problems. IN America, its the Arabs in my opinion. And even when that faggot Bin Laden declared his "jihad", MANY Americans were smart to respond by saying "We hate Arabs".

Sharon is a criminal, and i'm sorry to say but, they make a good couple with Bush ...
So what do u think about Iraq?

I think Joyce is speaking nonsense, and she doesnt seem to bring any arguments. But for my part, i cant help blaming SOME of the Moroccans for many of the bad views on "foreigners", especially, Africans, Turks, and Arabs.

[Niquie]

You hang in there. I am going to respond to your last post, but right now, I have to do some legal research. See, I'm at work and sometimes, that comes first!

Anyway, I will get back to you. And just so you know, I think Bush is an IDIOT!

[Niquie]

...I have a few minutes to converse with you -- finally!

I am in Southern California and regrettably, I have never heard of the school you mentioned. Please tell me where it is and what you studied.

What do I think about Iraq? Whew! Where to begin. Well, first, let me speak of Mexico. Mexico was ruled for eons by both Spain AND France. And Mexico freed herself from the yoke of tyranny. The peons had no weapons, but they fought with what they had -- rakes and hoes and anything else that could cause some serious injury. They were willing to, and they did, die for their country and their freedom.

So, this brings me to the statement that the "benevolent Republicans" like to throw at us -- "What the people of Iraq really want is to be free of Sadam. Oh, if only they could be free!" If that were so, why has the Republican Army of Iraq not done away with him? Why have the people not revolted? I sincerely question this premise. He is still in power because the people WANT him in power. As for freeing the people of Iraq from this mad man, I am not willing to do so and pick up the pieces of their shattered economy. Not unless they pony up the funds to get their country back on track. Frankly, we need health care in THIS country! Let's spend the money on that! Don't OUR children count? And speaking of children, do we think that our bullets and bombs and missles will only kill the "bad" Iraqi people? We will kill innocent Iraqi children!

Now, do we go to war with no proof of weapons of mass destruction? No. And we especially do not go to war alone! Frankly, North Korea is more of a hot bed than Iraq. But Bush is following a personal, private and selfish agenda. And all the people who voted to send Americans to war will be the people who don't have to go and die there and who don't have any loved one(s) to send off to die in Iraq and come back in body bags.

We now have an Imperial Presidency. King George. As for Bush -- I say, "Shove over Benedict Arnold. Your cousin George is here."

[imported_grafix]

Sertug I strongly disagree with your statements about arabs or moroccons etc. I don't believe it's right to make such generalizations-each individual has a unique story and a different life experience. You cannot judge people by their religion, nationality etc.

[imported_grafix]

Originally posted by Niquie
I see this bigot has spewed her venom elsewhere and on different sites.

Perhaps she's the reincarntion of Eva Braun.

arghhh Niquie-this world is too tiring, I'm geting into my cacoon and hybernating for the winter.
can't stand ignorance. They're in bliss but we're in hell 'cause we see through the hearts of such individuals.
In anycase-am not feeling too good these days-too much work, too much stress-not enough time...
Last thing I need is to argue with an idiot in cyberspace.
CNN feeds me enough crap daily to last a lifetime anyways.
i'll just switch over.let's see...

well well look at that-it's aaron brown with his 'deep intellectual' commentary. I am touched by his intellectual capacity. I sure do hope they do a segment on...what's that? wait!

oh my they just did yipee!

they do this once every 10 minutes-a segment on terrorism, toppling saddam, suicide bombers in israel topped off with your 10 sec. shot of someone burning an american flag. oh-but this time they forgot to mention the threat of the arab street.
wow!
This is great...
it had been 10 minutes since I was last brainwashed. this is good.
I need a brainwashing segment every 10 minutes to feel safe.

[Niquie]

I realized after I posted this that I had not addressed that same issue with ASertug.

I agree completely! Generalizations are nothing more than watered down bigotry and ASertug, watered down bigotry is just as offensive as the concentrated kind. It just takes a little more of it to finally hit your system before you realize that it is just as poisonous.

[Niquie]

I wish with all my heart I could sit you down at my kitchen table and feed you a wonderful meal in complete peace. You deserve that.

Just the little bit of anti-Americanism I have suffered on these boards has put me "off my feed" for quite a while. I can only imagine the anger and frustration you feel. Especially when the "joyces" of the word are so free and easy with their hate. I spit the dummy with Friday. Go take a read. I finally got enough of his wishing ailing people an early death.

But you don't hate, I don't hate, neither do the rest of our friends, i.e., Rhianna, Cat, Jasper, Paka, Tournoire, Liarra, Lu, Iluminado (hey! Where he be of late???), etc., etc.

Take heart in us, your friends, and say FU to the rest.

Smooch. AND I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO SMOOCH MY FRIENDS WHEN THEY NEED IT IN WHATEVER FORUM THEY MAY BE FOUND!

[imported_grafix]

wherever you are-racism cannot be escaped.
I work in a fairly well known industry among fairly well known and educated people, most of them latching onto liberalism as a slogan (since it gets them further in this industry).

last week alone i witnessed 2 events which still haunts me. first one-a co-worker sees an italian pizza ad on tv. the son is singing to his mother (basic stereotyping-the media is just as responsible).
the guy says "that's right f.king italian, sing to your mother-you probably .... her too"
I look at him sternly.
he says "you're not italian are you?"
I respnded: "what difference does i tmake".


the second one was even more disturbing. A co-worker from south america. we start talking about the world cup and the wierd hairstlyes. Ronaldo etc. A turkish player had a mohawk so i mentioned that too. He turns to me and says "fu..ing turks, i hate their guts. they're pigs-the worst people on the planet"
I remained calm. looked at him and said "what do you mean"
he says to me "did you watch midnight express? they're all homosexuals"

what response can one give to a person who makes up his mind about a whole race based on a freakin movie-and a hollywood one financed by certain lobbies...

I was going to have him fired, but I said 'forget it-I'll just give him reason to justify his ignorance".
Sad part is-this person informs the public about events-supposedly...

[imported_grafix]

Just saw your recent post and had to add: a smoooch to you too my dear
Bless you
Did I tell you i went to university in the states and some of my best friends are american.

In fact-racism and hatred exists in every society but i can say that (aside from on the net) i have never met a racist, ignorant american. (perhaps it was the group I was hanging out with).

in fact i wish america could get its act together-as it can truely set an example to the whole world.
Wouldn't it be great if the budget spent on bombs and the military was spent on saving africa from aids or starvation?
ONLY america has the power to do this-no other nation on earth does...but power has to be used wisely...something which bush and his nazi wanna-be thug friends are not doing!

America the land of contradictiions. So much civil liberty is gained through years of struggle-and then a thug takes it away so easily.
he struggle is about haves and have-nots niquie. When there is such a gap between the poor and the rich-animosity sinks in.

US policy makers have to realize their sole existence depends on helping out the world. Not by promoting free market enterprise, or by selling more big macs...
But by decreasing the gap between the poor and the rich.
Only the US can do it. no other country has such power...
If only I say to myself...If only...

Where's ralph nader when you need him